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Daniel_Starky · Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 5:30 am Post subject: animal cruelty

hey everyone, i know theres some people out there who feel very strongly about animal cruelty (go the vegetarains!!!) like the temuka avery bird massacre or that guy who ate his dog.

so... what do we all think is a christian responce to the people who comit these cruel acts?
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Micheal Baron · Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:29 am Post subject:

I have always had an extremely deep heartfelt empathy for animals and I hate to see another of gods creations abused in such horrible ways.

I do eat meat, that is the way of life, in the wild, a wolf doesnt suddenly stop chasing a deer and starve to death, so I dont see why we should do that, but I never eat an animal I know, I could never be a farmer, raising a cow then killing it, that I could not do, and to Eat something like a dog is terrible because Dogs are reletively intelligent and its almost a form of canabalism to eat them.
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hamish cartwright · User Joined: 26 Jul 2009 Posts: 16 Location: Temuka

as christians we,re supposed to be look after the earth and all that it encompasses

Daniel_Starky · Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:56 pm Post subject:

and thats why im vegetarian. i don't like the idea of killing animals and eating them.
but also, i find it unfair to cows and pigs and ducks etc, that we have a massive big hooha about eating dogs or whales, while munching on good old bessie!!!!
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Micheal Baron · Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:26 am Post subject:

hamish cartwright · User Joined: 26 Jul 2009 Posts: 16 Location: Temuka

it's all a bit like this prose io read for unfimiliar text at school. the writer compared how we hold whales and dolphins in such high esteem and then think how going grazing with sheep and cows isn't a life enriching experience.it's a bit abstract i know but you have to admit we do hold different animals in different views.

Daniel_Starky · Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:27 am Post subject:

EXACTLY!!! we always go on about how whales are special, and dolphins are friendly, and dogs are loyal... does anyone else think this is just slightly unfair to the animals that feed the uncaring masses?
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Micheal Baron · Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:40 am Post subject:

We are not uncaring masses, but there is a diffrence between eating to live and gluttony, we appreciate the gift that animals such as cattle have to offer to us, of milk and meat.

No one said we don't care, its just that this is how the world has always been, it is unfortunate that we must single out a specific animal (or animals) to eat but it is better that we specifically breed few animals to be eaten, because we would feel twice as horrible if we were eating even more diffrent types.

And you can't just tell the whole world to go vegetarian, meat provides nessicary proteins human beings need to live, and there would not be nearly enough vegetarian substitutes to replace meat.

And alot of people in poor countries barely get enough food as it is, why deny them yet another source of food?
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Daniel_Starky · Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 11:12 pm Post subject:

im not saying that noone should eat meat, i just think its unfair to only chose one kind of animal to eat. as in, lots of people sent hate mail to that tongan guy. why don't they send hate mail to, say the farmer down the road? they both kill and eat an animal. its unfair.
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Alex Truscott · User Joined: 11 Jul 2009 Posts: 17 Location: Auckland

yea i too do feel really sorry for animals when they get hurt and also Daniel i to was once a vegetraian for 5 and a half years so HA im good just like you. the only reason im eating meat now is i need the iron for oxygen and i was real tired and it didnt really work with rowing. but as christians shouldnt we feel dorry for them as they too are living animals or once were but some animals are grown for eating such as chickens and cows. you must remember this!!

Daniel_Starky · Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:12 am Post subject:

ok, i concur.
but, what about those chickens that are grown for eating? genetically modified or selective breeding, combined with growing conditions... conspire to make a chicken that can NOT support its own weight!!!
this is seriously NOT cool.
and the pigs that are grown for eating? given less space than they need, fed so much that they can't stand up straight, and forced to stand in their own fecal matter! again seriously NOT cool!
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kazza · Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:44 am Post subject: Vegetarianism

I've recently considered going vegetarian. Along the same lines of my fair trade stance - we choose how much we get involved in an issue.

There are a few reasons as to why I'm considering it at the moment:
Human: there's a health aspect to it as currently we have no laws enforcing details about the meat that we consume in our country.
Animal: The treatment of many consumed animals is horrendous and there's only a few places which stock free range meat & it also becomes a financial issue too
Environmental: this is my greatest concern, because the Western worlds overconsumption of meat it really challenging the resources of our world.

My greatest concern is how going vegetarian will effect my health, because to get the right balance isn't going to be easy.

After much reflection I am going to take steps towards becoming vegetarian. So whenever I'm out and get to choose what I consume it will be without meat. Which is also encouraging me to move out of home ealier and go flatting so I can control my diet more carefully.

The current controversy for me is because I live at home, and my parents do all the cooking, it leaves me with little options and/or conflict, so I've decided to consume meat on a lesser scale. Ultimately there are some who can't live without meat (and I understand, I was once the same) but to get rid of overconsumption of meat should be accomplishable.

Daniel_Starky · Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:58 am Post subject:

parselys good. lots of iron (iorn?). Very Happy

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Micheal Baron · Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:33 pm Post subject:

Ok well as Kaz mentioned in the email you should all of received, we, as a church, need not to only think about "Fair Trade" as otherwise we will merely acheive Fair Trade status and then stop, instead we should keep the ball rolling and make sure we get as many ideas as possible into the church.

The reason I post this here is because I feel that we can help prevent animal cruelty, it is another great cause and is also close to home, so we should tackle this problem as soon as we are able instead of halting once reaching Fair Trade status, christianity is not about checking off your list to go to heaven, it is a part of our lives everyday, and so everyday we must strive to make the world a better place, not because its on our checklist, but because we care. (I actually had a much longer motivational speech but I forgot it Sad

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